Comments on: Bill Maher an Anti Catholic Hate Monger http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/ Discover the Catholic Faith Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:45:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jack http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-3051 Jack Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:04:05 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-3051 Bill Maher is a comedian who has managed to trick some of the people at least some of the time that what he has to say is something we need to listen to. He is uneducated, unread and boorish and knows it. So he uses street style drive by humor to get attention. If he was still doing basic standup before he 'made it' with Politically Incorrect nobody would be paying attention to him. So he attacks what ever is current to keep him in the public's eye. Its sort of sad. His current post on his website is his thoughts on the vaccanations and H1N1 etc. Why would I care to hear out a comedian's thoughts on this or any issue. He is merely the court jester and local big top monkey. I say dance monkey dance and spare me your 'thoughts'. Bill Maher is a comedian who has managed to trick some of the people at least some of the time that what he has to say is something we need to listen to. He is uneducated, unread and boorish and knows it. So he uses street style drive by humor to get attention. If he was still doing basic standup before he ‘made it’ with Politically Incorrect nobody would be paying attention to him. So he attacks what ever is current to keep him in the public’s eye. Its sort of sad. His current post on his website is his thoughts on the vaccanations and H1N1 etc. Why would I care to hear out a comedian’s thoughts on this or any issue. He is merely the court jester and local big top monkey. I say dance monkey dance and spare me your ‘thoughts’.

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-1437 cd Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:20:44 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-1437 Rudy, With all due respect there are many people who were raised Catholics who are anti-Catholic. They either were not raised with a proper understanding of the Church or have been convinced that it is wrong. If you disagree with what the Church teaches that is fine but if you misrepresent what it teaches and/or attack it with malice then...yes there is a problem with it. Bill Maher is guilty on both accounts. Rudy,

With all due respect there are many people who were raised Catholics who are anti-Catholic. They either were not raised with a proper understanding of the Church or have been convinced that it is wrong. If you disagree with what the Church teaches that is fine but if you misrepresent what it teaches and/or attack it with malice then…yes there is a problem with it. Bill Maher is guilty on both accounts.

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By: Rudy http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-1436 Rudy Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:12:05 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-1436 To call Bill Maher "anti-Catholic" is ridiculous and shameful. Maher was born to a Catholic father (in a mixed marriage) and raised Catholic. Certainly a person has a right to criticize what was taught to them as a child without being made out to be a bigot. To call Bill Maher “anti-Catholic” is ridiculous and shameful.
Maher was born to a Catholic father (in a mixed marriage) and raised Catholic.
Certainly a person has a right to criticize what was taught to them as a child without being made out to be a bigot.

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-960 cd Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:33:15 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-960 Nearlynormalized, I actually agree with you that religions should not hate but that doesn't mean that we all have to agree with each other either. Religion in general doesn't hate... quite the opposite... it is people who hate. Some of the most nasty groups out there in the last century have been atheistic/communist regimes. Nearlynormalized,

I actually agree with you that religions should not hate but that doesn’t mean that we all have to agree with each other either.

Religion in general doesn’t hate… quite the opposite… it is people who hate.
Some of the most nasty groups out there in the last century have been atheistic/communist regimes.

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By: nearlynormalized http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-950 nearlynormalized Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:40:14 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-950 My grandmother use to say with warm Eastern European accent, "Ve r al Gods childrn, an al r blet is red." That was a woman who saw and survived the worst; so all religions wake up and stop the hate, it doesn't work anymore. My grandmother use to say with warm Eastern European accent, “Ve r al Gods childrn, an al r blet is red.” That was a woman who saw and survived the worst; so all religions wake up and stop the hate, it doesn’t work anymore.

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By: timglass http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-455 timglass Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:35:55 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-455 Chris, I don't think Jesus wore a beanie or sunglasses while "lugging" His cross either. I think thoes sunglasses are keeping him in the dark. Fight the good fight, brother! Chris,
I don’t think Jesus wore a beanie or sunglasses while “lugging” His cross either.

I think thoes sunglasses are keeping him in the dark.

Fight the good fight, brother!

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-454 cd Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:11:36 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-454 nearlynormalized, Thanks for the timely clarification and the insightful analysis. Where did you get the sweet sunglasses and how much are they? Some of the readers might want a pair. nearlynormalized,

Thanks for the timely clarification and the insightful analysis.

Where did you get the sweet sunglasses and how much are they? Some of the readers might want a pair.

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By: nearlynormalized http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-453 nearlynormalized Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:44:10 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-453 Beanie this, it is a French Barret--$.50--Salvation Army Thrift shop--Red slippers $1,500. Beanie this, it is a French Barret–$.50–Salvation Army Thrift shop–Red slippers $1,500.

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-150 cd Sun, 11 May 2008 12:00:29 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-150 Vicki B, Thanks for commenting. I am a Catholic revert. I too personally wish for Christian Unity, however, I do think we may have some differences on what true unity is. I do believe that we as Christians should strive for unity with one another and that it is shameful the lack of unity within the Church. Many "Christians" do not consider Catholics to be Christians. Many try as hard as they can to take Catholics out of the Church. I have seen the ugly face of anti Catholicism since I have returned to the Church, both on a personal level and publicly(The topic of this post is an example of secular anti Catholicism. I have seen both secular and sectarian anti Catholicism). Doctrine is and always has been important to the Church. Jesus is truth and therefore false doctrine cannot and should not be accepted. The Church should not compromise its identity just for the sake of a "superficial" unity. Unity should be a unity in truth as Jesus is the truth. Having said this, I do believe that non catholic Christians are Christian and can be saved, just as the Church teaches. Pope Benedict XVI's address to other Christian leaders is a good source on what true ecumenisim should be and how it should be approached. http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/19/pope-benedict-xvis-address-to-christian-leaders-at-st-josephs-church/ Could you please elaborate on the change you want to see in the Church? You can post it here or send it to the email address on the contact us tab if you would like. God Bless Chris Vicki B,

Thanks for commenting. I am a Catholic revert. I too personally wish for Christian Unity, however, I do think we may have some differences on what true unity is. I do believe that we as Christians should strive for unity with one another and that it is shameful the lack of unity within the Church. Many “Christians” do not consider Catholics to be Christians. Many try as hard as they can to take Catholics out of the Church. I have seen the ugly face of anti Catholicism since I have returned to the Church, both on a personal level and publicly(The topic of this post is an example of secular anti Catholicism. I have seen both secular and sectarian anti Catholicism).

Doctrine is and always has been important to the Church. Jesus is truth and therefore false doctrine cannot and should not be accepted. The Church should not compromise its identity just for the sake of a “superficial” unity. Unity should be a unity in truth as Jesus is the truth. Having said this, I do believe that non catholic Christians are Christian and can be saved, just as the Church teaches.

Pope Benedict XVI’s address to other Christian leaders is a good source on what true ecumenisim should be and how it should be approached.

http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/19/pope-benedict-xvis-address-to-christian-leaders-at-st-josephs-church/

Could you please elaborate on the change you want to see in the Church? You can post it here or send it to the email address on the contact us tab if you would like.

God Bless

Chris

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By: Vicki B http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-148 Vicki B Sat, 10 May 2008 23:46:05 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-148 My first time at this site. I am a Catholic convert. In my Lithuanian ancestory, I was not exposed to the church. As my mother married out of the church, and was excommunicated in 1930, I had my own prejudices about a church that excluded people. I know I am to be a part of the church, and I am to be a part of the change that I want to see. Christ said let there be no divisions amongst you, and that is my calling to help unify Christians, not to divide them. I take part in interdenominational bible studies. 'We' is so much more powerful than me alone. Are we united in Christ, or divided by doctrinal differences??? My first time at this site. I am a Catholic convert. In my Lithuanian ancestory, I was not exposed to the church. As my mother married out of the church, and was excommunicated in 1930, I had my own prejudices about a church that excluded people. I know I am to be a part of the church, and I am to be a part of the change that I want to see. Christ said let there be no divisions amongst you, and that is my calling to help unify Christians, not to divide them. I take part in interdenominational bible studies. ‘We’ is so much more powerful than me alone. Are we united in Christ, or divided by doctrinal differences???

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-142 cd Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:48:53 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-142 Janet, asimplesinner was right. The posts were in the spam queue. I just got back from work and released them. Thanks for providing the links. I will look at them when I get a chance. I do think that we can agree that it was shameful that priests, who were supposed to shepherd and protect their flock, engaged in these reprehensible activities. It was sinful and dispcable behavior. It was also tragic and misguided what some of the bishops did. Some were given poor advice and some made bad decision. I just don't believe that there was some sinister program by the church to initiate a cover up of such epic proportions. I do appreciate other peoples opinions on the matter and it does educate us all to hear them. The one major difference that I can see between the abuse crisis in the Catholic Church and the problems that occured at the compound of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints(FLDS) is that the behaviour of the priests is not morally acceptable by the Catholic Church. It is considered sinful behavior by the Church. In the FLDS, the behavior stems from doctrinal beliefs in plural marriage and arranged marriage. It seems that many of the adherants did not consider what was going on to be problematic. It was doctrinally acceptable behavior. It was part of the religion. This is just my opinion. God Bless Janet,

asimplesinner was right. The posts were in the spam queue. I just got back from work and released them. Thanks for providing the links.

I will look at them when I get a chance. I do think that we can agree that it was shameful that priests, who were supposed to shepherd and protect their flock, engaged in these reprehensible activities. It was sinful and dispcable behavior. It was also tragic and misguided what some of the bishops did. Some were given poor advice and some made bad decision. I just don’t believe that there was some sinister program by the church to initiate a cover up of such epic proportions. I do appreciate other peoples opinions on the matter and it does educate us all to hear them.

The one major difference that I can see between the abuse crisis in the Catholic Church and the problems that occured at the compound of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints(FLDS) is that the behaviour of the priests is not morally acceptable by the Catholic Church. It is considered sinful behavior by the Church. In the FLDS, the behavior stems from doctrinal beliefs in plural marriage and arranged marriage. It seems that many of the adherants did not consider what was going on to be problematic. It was doctrinally acceptable behavior. It was part of the religion. This is just my opinion.

God Bless

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By: asimplesinner http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-141 asimplesinner Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:21:41 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-141 The moderator needs to go back and fish them out of the anti-spam filter... Adding links to a combox can get them caught there... There they are saved until the moderator approves them... The moderator needs to go back and fish them out of the anti-spam filter…

Adding links to a combox can get them caught there… There they are saved until the moderator approves them…

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By: Janet Clark http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-140 Janet Clark Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:47 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-140 I tried to give you the links, and it will not accept them. I tried to give you the links, and it will not accept them.

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By: Janet Clark http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-139 Janet Clark Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:14 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-139 Hello, Here are the links. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm Janet Hello,
Here are the links.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm

Janet

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By: Janet Clark http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-138 Janet Clark Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:25:43 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-138 testing testing

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By: Janet Clark http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-137 Janet Clark Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:25:07 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-137 Hello, Here is a link to the BBC television show, which includes links to the doctrine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm It always harms victims to tell them they must keep silent about sexual assault. Please remember that Cardinal Ratzinger released this in 2001: by that time, it was well known that victims need to be free to talk about the abuse in order to heal. But that is not the church's main concern. They have always been more interested in protecting their image than in protecting their members. We will have to agree to disagree. I am still grateful to Bill Maher for pointing out the grave injustice when, in the same week when one religious group was held responsible for sexual abuse, the head of another religious group where many more have been abused was exalted. Janet Hello,
Here is a link to the BBC television show, which includes links to the doctrine:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm

It always harms victims to tell them they must keep silent about sexual assault. Please remember that Cardinal Ratzinger released this in 2001: by that time, it was well known that victims need to be free to talk about the abuse in order to heal. But that is not the church’s main concern. They have always been more interested in protecting their image than in protecting their members.

We will have to agree to disagree. I am still grateful to Bill Maher for pointing out the grave injustice when, in the same week when one religious group was held responsible for sexual abuse, the head of another religious group where many more have been abused was exalted.

Janet

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-134 cd Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:55:04 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-134 I believe this is the document Janet is talking about that was released in 2001. The document is on the Vatican website. Evidiently this has been available for years. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010518_epistula_graviora%20delicta_lt.html Here is a link to an article by Jimmy Akin on the subject. http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2005/04/observe_this.html I believe this is the document Janet is talking about that was released in 2001. The document is on the Vatican website. Evidiently this has been available for years.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010518_epistula_graviora%20delicta_lt.html

Here is a link to an article by Jimmy Akin on the subject.

http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2005/04/observe_this.html

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-133 cd Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:44:44 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-133 Here is some information on the document Janet is referring to. It appears that this was merely a document on how to handle these types of allegations in the Church. At first it was allegations regarding priest or bishops who used the sacrament of penance to make sexual advances on the penitents. Some try to say this is proof of an intentional coverup while in reality it was used to protect all those involved in these types of allegations. I am sure there are those who mishandled it and for that we all as Catholics are sorry and ashamed, but to say what Mr. Maher said was going too far. I do believe that society as a whole has been over sexualized to the point where this behavior is prevelent in all sectors of society. The public school systems are notorious for the amount of sexual abuse that goes on in them. The Church has made many changes when it comes to protecting children. I volunteered to help with the National Catholic Youth Conference just last year and had to go through hoops before I could participate. Figerprints were required. Background checks were done. Everyone had to take a class or classes on the subject of abuse. Progress has been made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimen_sollicitationis God Bless, Chris Here is some information on the document Janet is referring to. It appears that this was merely a document on how to handle these types of allegations in the Church. At first it was allegations regarding priest or bishops who used the sacrament of penance to make sexual advances on the penitents.

Some try to say this is proof of an intentional coverup while in reality it was used to protect all those involved in these types of allegations. I am sure there are those who mishandled it and for that we all as Catholics are sorry and ashamed, but to say what Mr. Maher said was going too far.

I do believe that society as a whole has been over sexualized to the point where this behavior is prevelent in all sectors of society. The public school systems are notorious for the amount of sexual abuse that goes on in them.

The Church has made many changes when it comes to protecting children. I volunteered to help with the National Catholic Youth Conference just last year and had to go through hoops before I could participate. Figerprints were required. Background checks were done. Everyone had to take a class or classes on the subject of abuse. Progress has been made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimen_sollicitationis

God Bless,

Chris

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By: Janet Clark http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-132 Janet Clark Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:09:36 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-132 Hi- I'm just about heading out the door- I'll be back on Monday and provide the links. I think Maher claimed that the pope released the document in 2001, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. It was a re- release of a document that had previously been sent out in 1962. I'm glad we can have this dialogue. Have a good weekend! Janet Hi- I’m just about heading out the door- I’ll be back on Monday and provide the links. I think Maher claimed that the pope released the document in 2001, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. It was a re- release of a document that had previously been sent out in 1962. I’m glad we can have this dialogue.

Have a good weekend!
Janet

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By: cd http://discoverthefaith.com/2008/04/15/bill-maher-an-anti-catholic-hate-monger/#comment-131 cd Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:14:38 +0000 http://discoverthefaith.wordpress.com/?p=147#comment-131 Janet, Like a simple sinner I do ask if you have sources for the this document and where to find it. I do wonder how could Pope Bendict release this document in 1962 when he was not even a Bishop, let alone the Pope? Could you elaborate on that? Mr. Maher made direct accusations against the Pope in this regard. God Bless, Chris Janet,

Like a simple sinner I do ask if you have sources for the this document and where to find it. I do wonder how could Pope Bendict release this document in 1962 when he was not even a Bishop, let alone the Pope? Could you elaborate on that? Mr. Maher made direct accusations against the Pope in this regard.

God Bless,

Chris

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